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   SHARKWATER

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   05/20/08

   No I want people to speak up, but at least take the time to learn a little about what you are speaking about. Have you read the info on here? Why don't you take a trip over to the shark board that you were invited to...learn something about what I am talking about. I didn't create this to debate with people like you...I created it so people can be aware of what mankind is doing. You don't seem to care to much...you seem to think it is just part of life...we don't agree and have established that so what more is there to say???

   
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   05/20/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   Thanks.

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   SHARKWATER

   873 Kudos

   05/19/08

   Just like to note that I am in no way hassling you like you posted.
   I did invite you to my profile, but only because you are a friend on my other profile.
   You came here, and were rude first off. You can clearly see that my profile is dedicated to saving sharks so to leave a comment like this "Yes, sharks should be husbanded and properly butchered. They are soooo tasty!!!" & "You mean, save the shark is something you're serious about?" is totally rude. If you don't agree with my message that is fine, but to leave comments like that is just ignorant IMO. So naturally if you come on my profile and comment I will reply. If you don't want to read my replies don't comment on my profile :)
   

   
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   05/19/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   Ok. I've PMd you my reply.
   

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   SHARKWATER

   873 Kudos

   05/19/08

   I simply don't agree that it is a fact of nature to slaughter and waste. We can go in circles here...don't see much of a point cause we simply do not agree. All I can say is take the 90 minutes and watch the documentary. See with your ones eyes what is happening. I can't really see it hurting much that you watch ...you may learn something ;) I am just happy to know that I am not raising my children to think in this manner...I am raising them to respect and nurture nature. Not to be greedy and wastefull.

   
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   05/19/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   Good for you. Recognize, however, that nature isn't wasteful. It recycles everything, perhaps it is just not obvious. No matter what, something will feed on a dead carcass and derive sustenance from it. The cycle of life will always find a way to reuse and recycle. Nothing really goes to waste.
   

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   SHARKWATER

   873 Kudos

   05/19/08

   I never said humans don't have the right to exist, but why do we have more of a right than a shark? They were here long before us. I agree animals go extinct all the time, but does it happen at the hands of murderous humans. If saving our oceans and caring is tunnel vision then I guess that is what I am. I don't think that mankind killing out a whole species for soup is a part of nature...I am not saying that people shouldn't eat shark. I am sure it is tasty just like any other fish...what I am saying is it is not God's will or nature's will to hunt a species into extinction. I could see if shark was the last meat on earth, but that is by far not the case. I am curious...would you have this view on any animal? Is it ok that people are doing this to whales, tigers, elephants...just for fur, fins, and tusks. It really make me sad that you think in this manner, and I must say I am so very glad your the minority cause if everyone had this opinion we would be in big trouble.
   
   Animals play a huge part on this planet. If you take out a top predator there is going to be serious consequences to the whole ecosystem. It will not just fix itself as you say. As humans it is our duty to take care of this planet not detroy it.

   
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   05/19/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   Duty? Nope. Here's the thing: if shark fins are valued for soup, then I think you'd make more headway with your cause if you encouraged people to husband the creature, rather than kill it to extinction. Killing to extinction IS short-sighted; we aren't likely to run out of cats and dogs for pets, now, are we? These creatures ARE valued. And in the result it actually doesn't matter whether the use is for pets or food (or both); killing the creatures indiscriminately for a delicacy means the eventual end of that delicacy, right? The same with any animal whose fur, hide, meat, tusks - whatever - is valued. To hunt to extinction is to lose the use of that product. So why not figure out how to raise them properly? But the planet does "fix itself" when it comes to ecosystems. If one creature dies out for whatever reason, others appear to eat the food going uneaten. Fact of life. And our actions are a part of nature, including "short-sighted" actions as well as thought-out ones. That we can actually figure out ways to NOT hunt a valued animal to extinction is the key here - and one you might consider taking into account in presenting your case. People generally won't get too worked up over sharks per se, because they represent a threat (even if it is not as bad a threat as it's perceived to be). Trying to change the perception is an uphill battle; working with something being of value and how to extend the life of that creature so as to continue having the valued part seems to me a better way to go about it.
   

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   gisellebelle

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   05/19/08

   LOL! I'm going back to Sid, I miss him. :)
   
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   05/19/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   Hee.
   

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   gisellebelle

   552 Kudos

   05/19/08

   Thanks AMAI!!! XOXOXOXO
   
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   05/19/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   You're welcome. Love the new avi!!!
   

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   aussichick

   818 Kudos

   05/18/08

   Kudos to you my friend.. here is a link to my forum.. Its very interesting and I have seen your comments on shark finning... I thought you may find it intersting.. I have a heap of information there that might change your mind
   take care and hope to see you soon
   Carolyn
   http://sharks77551.yuku.com/
   
   

   05/19/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   Change my mind?
   

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   SHARKWATER

   873 Kudos

   05/18/08

   Well I don't agree with you.
   Leave it to humans to ruin life and the planet.
   What gives us the right to kill an animal into extinction.
   Future generations are going to look at us as being barbaric and cruel.
   
   We are all entitled to our opinion...I understand that, but what I don't understand is that you think killing a whole species is just a part of life. How is that humane. I could understand if they became extinct by an act of nature, but I don't see what we are doing is that. To me it is selfishness and greed. We should be trying to make it a better place for our children and theirs. Please watch the movie and then come back here and tell me you think it is ok, and that it is just natures way.
   
   Honestly I would love for you to see this documentary. I learnt so much from it. It is not just about sharks.

   
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   05/19/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   It might be wasteful - shark steaks are tasty, after all. Why harvest only the fin? THAT is just laziness. I disagree with your essential position, which is that humans don't have the right to exist. Take a look at all of nature, don't be so tunnel-visioned. Species become extinct when they cannot handle the conditions, whatever they may be. Why is OUR species "outside of nature"?
   

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   SHARKWATER

   873 Kudos

   05/18/08

   Oh my gosh...you can't be serious!!!!
   Why do we have the right as human beings to catch a shark cut its fins off and through it back in the ocean still alive to die. You can't tell me that it is ok for an animal to go extinct for this. A creature that has been here for over 400 million years. Every year over 100 million sharks are slaughtered in this way so rich people can eat a bowl of soup...which the fin does NOT even add a flavor just texture. You can honestly tell me that this is ok, and if we kill out an entire species for this it was just the sharks time to die. Yes I agree many animals have died off and nobody has done anything, but people know that humans are killing sharks and many other ocean life because they get caught up in fishing line and die. This is something we can put a stop to if people actually care enough to do so. I could really go on and on but I don't see a need...you should really tale the 90 minutes out of your life and educate yourself on how this will affect our planet and the way we live. I am just honestly baffled by your response to this!!!

   
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   05/18/08

   Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

   I don't agree that animals have rights, in the same way people do (or should do.) As I said before, I think it's a waste to use one bit and throw the rest back. But it's better than throwing it into a landfill. And like I said, there were hundreds and hundreds of species that came into and out of existence before our time completely. It's not about us "ignoring it" - it's the nature of life. So I don't see how one species will affect our planet to the extent that it's worth getting over-excited about.
   

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    SHARKWATER

    873 Kudos

    05/18/08

    I really think you should take the time to watch this movie, and your mind may change.
    It is not just about sharks...it is also about the affects it will have on our planet if the shark goes extinct.
    
    I honestly think your mind would change if you seen what we are doing to helpless creatures that have just as much right to be here as we do if not more.

    
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    05/18/08

    Reply from AllMenAreIslands:

    Right to be here? Why would sharks have more right to be here than us? In nature, the most fit survive. If sharks are being killed just to kill, then that's a waste of a good resource. To tell you the truth, I was only part joking. I think it's a shame to kill for the sake of making something dead, rather than to utilize the thing for a purpose, whether it's food, or fuel or clothing or whathaveyou.
    
    Do you know how many species have lived and died without us ever having anything to do with them? Some species can last a long time, and then they meet their match. It sounds like the shark may have met his, if it's true it's on the verge of extinction. Something will come along to take its place, because that's how nature operates.
    

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